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Zian.24 • 1 year ago

Until now even if it's a remake idont like the way that's it's all started with that green pill..no counter explanation what,where,how this pill all about..it is the main thing in the whole store until the latest season ..you know what I mean

TaliZorah2311 • 1 year ago

hmm i dont remeber the fights being this brutal in the original donghua but its nice to see.. feels like every blow has weight behind it... they have lost that later on when Han Li and everyone else have "superpowers" for lack of a better word.

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

Mortals fighting, every blow makes you come closer to death. Later, he becomes an Immortal Cultivator, everyone have superhuman durability and endurance, so the blows no longer have similar impact on them.

This reflects the difference between the Immortals and Mortals.

TaliZorah2311 • 1 year ago

yeah its true but at the same time i cant help by being impressed with the quality of the animation.. even if later the impact is missing other things are gained so its all good

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

If you think about it, there isn't much core difference. Just that Han Li gets more and more cunning, his options gets more powerful.

From demanding Dr Mo to keep door open and using smoke bomb to lure the guy to the door so Han Li knows where he is etc... and how Han Li knows it's impossible for him to beat Dr Mo, so he opted for focusing on landing a clean cut on his body and let the poison to do its job etc... everything is a meticulously planned strategy executed with intensive training.

Han Li's fighting style never really changed. There's a lot of parallels between the way Mortals and Immortals operates.

This is why sometimes you see Han Li going "Bah! Mortals!" he wasn't making fun of mortals but rather retorting how Immortal Cultivators aren't that different from Mortals.

It led to the Animation studio taking liberty into letting Han Li show displeasure at people fighting towards the end of Season 2.
(They did it with Author's permission because he's actually a voice actor and consultant, on a side note: Yi Nian Yong Heng's Author is voice actor for Han Li's Master: Li Hua Yuan)

This is allowed because it makes a good foundation for a bridge towards Han Li's eventual Development as the Dao Ancestor and he will eventually give up this position and make his way towards something so hallowed... it can only be called the weak sounding name of "Mortal Ancestor"

TaliZorah2311 • 1 year ago

im always impressed with how careful and calculated Han Li is, as for the thing about mortals i dont know much besides what's shown in the donghua. To me it always seemed that sometimes Han Li is nostalgic towards mortality and how they are fee in a way.. up to this point he always avoided too much contact and closeness.. to avoid problems. But also cause how trecherous the world of cultivators is.

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

Han Li started from a mortal family so he can draw parallels and notice all the similarities between mortals and Immortals.

Based on the context in which he chuckled and said "Mortals..." on the few occasions, I am leaning towards him noticing the parallels.

If you look at ordinary people in the early episodes, you notice they aren't that difficult. Everyone knows how to make calculated moves. The Cultivators are far more dangerous because they live for a long time. Especially the ones who stays in Cultivator lands and interacts with society regularly.

When you are living for 200, 500, 1000 years and have at least half of those years dealing with societal shit, you tend to get pretty good at it.

Pha Yang • 1 year ago

🤔 hmmm... Interesting... Now I'll have to go back and watch the original. There are two souls in Dr mo and han li was poisoned by ghastly silver palm. Always thought he was never cured from the first poison.

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

This 'remastered' follows the novel more closely on this part.

It only makes sense if there's someone else (real Cultivator) teaching Dr Mo or he never would've been able to get his hands on those knowledge and spells.

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

Han Li received the cure from Mo Caihuan's mother. This is in the original donghua. Though in the novel, things are a little different, Dr Mo had 3 daughters instead of 1. So only 1 of them is very likely to have reincarnated as Wang Ning/Fairy (Goddess) Ziling

Also I recalled some of the more perspective people talking about "Didn't the Martial Arts Sect people use Qi as well and what's the difference between Mortals and Immortal Cultivators"

Spirit Roots - Mortals who does not Spirit Roots, their Qi doesn't run through the Spirit Roots therefore their Qi is mortal Qi. Cultivators' Qi courses through Spirit Roots and thus are Spirit Qi.

There's also a less notable changes/difference which was reflected in this episode's fight and the fight between Dwarf Cultivator and the Seven Mystery Sect Elder.

Mobility: Immortal Cultivators breaks the hold of mortality's shackles on them. Han Li went aerial dynamic a few times, something that you might not notice because everyone and their grandmothers in Animes are easily more aerial dynamic than him.

But Han Li running on walls and cupboards almost 90° to the ground and then suddenly switch to the kick while suspended in mid-air... all these are signs of mortality shackles' grip loosening on him.

I mean with the right skillsets, a lower Level Qi Refiner can fly and create Forcefields that requires Anti-Tank weapons to beak and a Higher Level Qi refiner (Han Li) can technically burn a medieval city down if he exhaust all his powers.

Aerlis Ambrosius • 1 year ago

Mortal qi is simply the use of vital qi of the body, the energy of being alive. This is vastly different than "spiritual yuan qi" that kind of qi is more miraculous. Spiritual yuan qi may or may not be the same as "immortal qi" - it depends on the cultivation system or depends on who you ask.

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

Qi is gaseous state in their base. This is mortal Qi, everyone unconsciously produce them.

Qi Refiners = The existence of Spirit Roots allows them to absorb spiritual energies (elementals) and store them. This is call Spirit Qi. It is still gaseous but Spirit Qi contains elemental attributes which is why it is denser.

Foundation Establishment = Reach Liquid State. This is Yuan Qi.

Core Formation = Create a solid Core the size of bird eggs. (真元) True Essence is energy produced by Core. Empowered by this, it is possible for a Cultivator to hit like a nuke, aka destroy a mountain or at least split one into 2.

Every cultivation stage is an evolution. Fanren and many Cultivation Novels/Stories nerf the gap between each Stage to 10 or tens of times difference when if they don't, it'll be a difference of 100 times per stage and this gap will grow bigger as they go higher level.

Aerlis Ambrosius • 1 year ago

Sure. Magic is fantasy, so it can be whatever an author imagines it to be. There are a wide variety of actual cultivation methods in real life that these stories are based off of. There were a few saints who, according to legend, after they died and were cremated - left behind a spiritual pearl in the ashes. Those monks could be said to have reached a "golden core" stage in real life. None of them could punch through a mountain but there were more than one who could palm strike a stone wall and leave a handprint there.

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

Monks leaving behind 舍利/Śarīra =/= Golden Core.
Śarīra is from the head. A Buddhist thing.
Golden Core is actually closer to Organic Elixir of Immortality that resides inside the lower abdomen. This is Daoist Belief.
They refer to different things.

Aerlis Ambrosius • 1 year ago

I am aware of this. I was referring to deceased Daoist monks. Of course its just stories and while Daoism as a natural philosophy was indigenously Chinese, it later developed into a religion more to compete with Buddhism in China with something that was native Chinese. At that time the Daoist religion borrowed heavily from Buddhism in temple structure & hierarchy, monastic training & meditation and many other areas. Perhaps the Daoist legends of golden core being found in the ashes of certain saints was also just something borrowed from Buddhism after all, we have no way of verifying the claims.

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

No, Śarīra was never related to 金丹 Golden Core (Gold Pill/Elixir of immortality)
Śarīra occurs often in devoted believers who prays earnestly most, if not all their lives. It has nothing to do with Golden Core. A factually wrong statement that you said in earlier. I corrected it.

Daoists don't have Monks by the way. Another thing you said wrong.

The idea can never originate from Buddhism because Dao Family and Yinyang Families existed long before Buddhism came to China and the mythology of Golden Core will FORM INSIDE SOMEONE WHO REACHED IMMORTALITY (thus, lived forever) existed long before Buddhism came.

Dao Family is one of the bigger original Hundred Families and Hundred Philosophies. Before Buddhism even had anything to do with Daoism, the Hundred Families have been mingling and taking ideas from each other for almost a thousand years and thousands if not millions of heated debates between philosophical Houses have been going. Buddhism came and join the debate. Well, Buddhism do get more popular due to Novels such as Journey to the West and Wuxia Author Jinyong who is a Buddhist and wrote a lot of Wuxia that favors Buddhism greatly.

Especially Jinyong, a lot of his novels depicts Daoist Priests in a negative light and show Buddhist Monks
By the way, another thing you said wrong: Daoists don't have monks
When Chinese says 和尚, Monks are Full Time Buddhism Followers, they supposedly follow commandments hardcore. No middle ground

Chinese call Daoist/Daoshi (道士). They are Priests. There are a lot of different 'middle grounds' between just ordinary believer and those who follows commandments as hardcore as the Monks from Buddhism. Don't get it mixed up. (I am a step or 2 up from Ordinary Believer as in I will go Vegetarian, no wine, other indulgence during days of significance to Daoist)

Your 'awareness/knowledge' contains misconceptions and errors and if I or another don't correct you, very soon, we might find people calling Daoist Priests 'monks' on media and make all Daoist Priests even the hardcore commandment following ones raise an eyebrow.

Aerlis Ambrosius • 1 year ago

Its ok to have a different opinion, but the facts show otherwise. Its nice to have a firm conviction, but there do indeed exist plenty of Daoist monks. Lots of books written about them and by them for hundreds of years. In English, many westerners were truly 1st introduced to Daoist internal alchemy by John Blofeld (1913-1987) and works translated by Thomas Cleary (1949-2021). But Daoist monastic asceticism was made more famous in the stories written by Deng Ming Dao about the final disciple of the last abbot of Hua Shan. The first most famous book was called, "The Wandering Taoist" (1st printing Harper & Rowe 1983) and was sort of a biography of one Mr. Gwan Saihung. A boy who became a Daoist monk and spent years travelling the world and eventually wound up teaching in the USA. This is also the 1st book in English which depicted the famous "microcosmic orbit" daoist energy meditation. So yes, there have been quite a few Daoist monks.

Or perhaps you are referring to the word "monk" in Chinese? That word (in Chinese) refers specifically to a Buddhist style of monk. There are other words that refer to the Daoist style of monk. In English the word is the same. A monk is a monk, no matter the religion. For example, Christianity has the Catholic religion. By far the largest Christian religion. In Catholicism, one would generally usually only ever encounter priests. These are the priests who lead the religious services called "mass". The priests have a distinctive priest garments, black clothes with a white collar. But more rarely one might encounter a Catholic monk. The most famous are the Dominicans - black robes and the Franciscans - brown robes.

Or we could just say its pointless to argue about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. While it does seem quite laughable, ancient theologians took this absurd argument deadly serious. Monk or Priest? At the end of day:

"The Dao that men speak of is not the eternal Dao" and "Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know."

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

For the last time, Daoist don't have monk, only Priests. there's only 道士 (Daoist Priests) there's no 道和尚 (daoist monks)

That 'Daoist Monk' statement is a mistranslation. Daoism... The Dao is the Way of Nature, of Universe! Not some English Misinformation bullshit.

Aerlis Ambrosius • 1 year ago
"Across the country, around 50,000 Taoist MONKS and nuns live in a total of 9,000 temples. Twenty years ago, there were a total of 1,500 temples." - China Dialogue .net March 2017


"Taoism has temples, MONASTERIES, and priests who make offerings, meditate, and perform other rituals for their communities." - National Geographic .org

Do Daoists have monasteries? Yes
Do Daoists practice religious asceticism? Yes
What is monasticism? Monasticism, or the practice of living as a MONK, exists in several religions of the world.


What is a monk?
"A monk is a person who practices religious asceticism by living a monastic lifestyle, either alone or with any number of other monks."


What is the exact meaning of monk?
: a man who is a member of a religious order and lives in a monastery.
-Dictionary .com


What is a Taoist monk called?
A daoshi (Chinese: 道士, lit. "scholar of the Tao"), translated as Taoist priest, Taoist MONK, or Taoist professional is a priest in Taoism. The courtesy title of a senior daoshi is daozhang (道长, meaning "Tao master"), and a highly accomplished and revered daoshi is often called a zhenren (真人, "truth person").
-Wikipedia

In the English language any man who is ordained in a religion and who ministers to the faithful with sermons and religious services is called a PRIEST.

Conversely any ordained man who does not primarily serve as a priest but instead focuses on the practice of religious austerities and or asceticism, meditation etc. is called a MONK.

Winterisreallycoming • 1 year ago

And I'm telling you the English Translation is not correct.
Chinese differentiates Monks as professional Buddhist asceticism while 道士,道长,真人 etc... have been used to address Daoist Priests, in a manner of speaking, they are different ranking of Daoist PRIESTs.

The meaning of Monk maybe correct, but it doesn't translate properly from Chinese to English. Ask 1.3 billion Chinese people, all 1.3 billion Chinese will tell you exactly what I'm telling you.